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No Mud, No Lotus (with Tamara Jacobi)

Joe: Hi, I’m David Hirsch, and when I’m
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entrepreneurial spirit Joe: run free Neighbor Doug: author of the new
wild preneurs book, Tamar of Jacoby. Plus with all the talk of Corona virus in
the news is your portfolio in danger of becoming infected. While we don’t know anything about health
care, we can help protect your portfolio by talking with Chris cook, president
of beacon capital management. On what you can do investment
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difference between a financial disclosure report and a form 48 68. Joe and Oh judge Joe: I take umbrage with that. Doug umbrage. Hey everybody. Welcome to the, I wish I knew a umbrage
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Twitter and a happy president’s day to you, mr Oh gee. OG: It took you all week to come up with. Some sort of retort to that. I’m sorry. Doug said what he was going to say. He told you what he was going to tell you
and then you’re like, I have to think of something. And it took you all week
to thumb through this. The Cyrus, you know what the best
part about president’s day is? Joe: Oh boy. The fact that we have
presidents, God bless him. Okay. OG: Yeah. Well, there’s that. You know, every day is president’s day. It’s like mother’s day. Every day should be president’s day. We should be thankful and
grateful for our union. I was going to say, the reason I like
president’s day is because if you go to CVS right now, you can get a crap load of
Valentine’s day candy for like Nichols. Man. It is really awesome. So that’s how I’m
celebrating president’s day. Joe: This race that I used to help put on
in Texarkana, big shout out to the run the line half marathon that went off. Oh, you’re talking about OG: like a mayoral campaign or something? Joe: No, no, actually a half marathon. They still put us OG: are running some time Joe: we would go. Usually the event was on around
the 16th like it was this year. And, uh, the day after Valentines, we
would go get all this chocolate for the finish line for nothing. Fantastic. Happy discount, chocolate day. Everybody’s all chocolate
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has ever had big audacious goals. Man. Today we’re talking to you. But first we’ve got some
headlines, so let’s get moving. Hello Dobbins, Tamara Jacobi: and now it’s
time for your favorite part of Joe: the show. Tamara Jacobi: I was stacking
Benjamin’s headlines. Joe: Our first deadline comes to us
from USA today and is written by Jessica menton, hidden accounts,
secret and quiet overspending. Why are we hiding our personal
finances from loved ones? I can answer that because
I don’t want her to know. Duh. If I wanted her to know I was spending all
that cash, I would tell her end of story. Drop the mic. Maybe that’s not the answer to
the universe right there, but. I’ll read the piece. While romance may be brewing after
Valentine’s day, so are some dirty secrets, about 44% of us adults admit
to hiding a bank account or debt, or to spending more money than their partner
would be comfortable with, according to a new study from credit uh, which
surveyed a bunch of people who are married in a civil partnership or
living with their partner OG: who doesn’t have
a little sector money. Don’t you have a little stash of cash? Joe: No bag? No. Well, if things go OG: really haywire and you
got to get out of town quick, Joe: I think it’s time for
a therapist at that point. Maybe talk through some stuff if you
feel like you might have to bail on the OG: relationship. How are you going to pay for the
therapist if you don’t have any cash? Joe: That’s a good point. Well, no, no, OG: no. Like the casino Joe: had their on the way home from work. You and I know a guy who used
to go to the casino after work. OG: Yeah, me, Joe: I wasn’t talking about that guy. There was another guy,
that’s funny cause he was in OG: there. I went every Wednesday at noon. It was my lunch break. Joe: He was in your office. OG: I would start with 300 bucks and I
would leave as soon as I got to 400 cause I. 3% return on my money. You know, it’s science,
it’s just math dude. Easy peasy. A little more. I had a particularly great street going
on for awhile and my wife went to put away some stuff. I had little tie rack, you know, one of
those little tie rack things that had little to put your cufflinks
up in the top or whatever. Yeah. And that’s where I stashed my cash. So she opens up this thing and like
hundreds come springing out of it to the tune of like 3,500 bucks. She’s like, Joe: what is this OG: like, you know, Early retirement. Joe: Just, I’m fired. OG: I’m firing by going to the casino. Joe: You should. It’s got to go a few more times. You should’ve sat her down and
said, okay, it’s no big deal. Just maybe by way of introduction,
have you ever seen breaking bad? OG: Well, this was long before breaking Joe: bad. This was OG: circuit 2002. So this is a long before
any of that sort of stuff. But, uh, she did not
accept from my casino. Answer as being a solid choice
for our family finances. Joe: And the Wednesday
casino trips stopped. OG: It ceased immediately,
but this week is cool. Or should I stop next week? One last hurrah. And I do. I do believe that it ended with me having
$100 in my pocket and she having 3,400 in her pocket. Joe: So well, to your point, I shouldn’t
even say to your point, anything you just said OG: don’t do Joe: that. Don’t do any of that. This piece says, so. Why are people committing financial
infidelity more than one third? Say they do it for privacy. Or a desire to control their own finances,
or because I was going to double down, dammit, OG: I had a good thing going. Joe: Money is such a taboo,
said Ted Rosman and industry [email protected] people would
rather talk about other uncomfortable topics like religion or
political views than money. This is really unfortunate because hiding
that kind of a secret can hold back your financial future and undermine trust. You know? I can see. Hiding or not hiding, but not talking
about religious or political stuff. Much more than I can see. Not talking about money, OG: but people do it the other way. They’re like, I can’t tell you how much
money I make, but have you seen this growth on my neck? Joe: Right. OG: I went to the doctor and this
thing is really bad here touching. Exactly. Does this smell funny? Joe: It’s like. OG: No dude, but if you tell somebody that
your $10,000 in credit card debt, you got to really have a special meeting
for that or a special relationship. But she’ll sit next to somebody on the bus
and be like, just got back from getting my Bunyan’s fixed. You know, like, Joe: what the hell can you see mrs O G
comes home and you’ve got candles around the bed? And you’ve got Rose petals all over it and
she takes one look at you and goes, you just found out your credit score. Did you? It’s OG: above five 80 hooray. Go me Joe: that. This is a great day for right. It’s funny, OG: I just think it’s funny, you’ve got
older parents too, and I think about all the stuff that goes
wrong with their health. And I’ve been told Joe: every gory detail OG: about every person in my family’s
health, LD aunts and uncles, like, well, this aunt’s doing this again,
you know, send a prayer. You’re like, gosh, I don’t
need to know any of that. Like, just grandma’s sick. That’s good enough. Like, I don’t need to know
like, what’s going on? Joe: send a prayer. It’s good enough for me. OG: Yeah, I know right. And I do this for work, right? So I have a, at least a tolerable sense of
like how to solve people’s money problems. And it’s like, you don’t hear any of that
stuff until it’s super too late and you’re in, you’re going, you
did what with your money? Why didn’t that come
up in the conversation? You know, Joe: lots of nuts as privacy,
guilt, uh, all kinds of stuff. You know, Cheryl and
I had a similar thing. Maybe to a lesser degree than
that into the casino on Wednesday. But she would get the, she would,
uh, continue to bring home is before streaming. So everybody gather around the
campfire for Joe’s old guy story. Remember the days before streaming? Oh gee. Way back. 2000 2007 remember those days? Uh, back then, whenever we’d go see a
movie that she liked, then she’d be at the grocery store and they would have it
sitting in the grocery store aisle. She pick up a copy of it and bring that
thing home and then never watch it. And so we had just DVD on top of DVD and
top of D w we had, so we had this huge library DVDs. That never got watched. OG: As soon as Netflix or or Apple decides
to cancel your subscription, you are going to be happy to say you
have Armageddon on DVD. Joe: I’m an invite the neighbors over like
it’s a blind pig, but it’s going to be for DVDs, basically like, Hey, listen,
Netflix just went bankrupt. Can we cut 10 bucks, 10 bucks? Cheryl’s got ’em all. Got ’em all, but then on the other
side, so I would get really frustrated. I’m like, we didn’t need to spend that 10
12 whatever bucks on that, you know, DVD. You’re never going to watch it. Maybe your watch at once. Why wouldn’t we just rent it? And then I would come home with the next
board game and she would give me the touché. OG: another board game, huh? Joe: Yeah. And so, so I got to tell
you what solved our issue. I mean, a, you know, we’ve talked about
the fact that that we like to have this weekly meeting really that
solved it more than anything. But we also had added to our
budget and allowance line. Cheryl had X amount of money. I wasn’t allowed to comment. DVDs made her happy for me. A board game made me happy. Not allowed to comment. We had X amount of money. That was just, if it was legal, it
was fine and that solved everything. Then she came home with a DVD and I
went, you know, that makes her happy. OG: Communication, Joe: communication for the win, especially OG: if you’re in a
relationship with money. I understand that some
people don’t care about it. Some people don’t want
to spend time on it. Everybody’s got different roles in the
household, but take the fifth, you know, it’s 15 minutes. I was talking to somebody a couple of
weeks ago and I said, you know, you’re 40 years old, do you want to retire when
you’re 60 and in our business, we talk to people every six months. And I said, so if we talk to you every six
months for the next 20 years, for an hour about your retirement. We will spend a grand total together. Obviously we spend time separately, but
we’ll spend a grand total together, a 40 hours, basically one work week. Thinking about your retirement
is between now and retirement. That is a not an awful lot of time to
invest in making sure the next 40 years goes pretty well. So you’ve got to take it seriously. You know? And if you don’t, and if get a few years
down the line, all of a sudden, that’s when you look up and go, gosh. I thought I’d start saving when I was 25
and now I’m 35 or I thought I’d start when I was 40 and now I’m 50 Joe: just OG: to have a 15 minute meeting once a
week like you guys do, and it’s super fast and super easy. That’s what I would vote for. Joe: And in our second headline, man, this
is at one headline, Oh gee, this is all the headlines lately. It looks like coronavirus not only is
absolutely horrible when it comes to every day worse and worse and worse things
happening to people, but also, man, if you read financial news. All I read about is how Corona virus
is going to affect your portfolio. So that’s the question. How will it affect our portfolio
and what can we do about it on dad? Shortwave is Chris cook, president
of beacon capital management. Chris, thanks for joining us today. Chris Cook: Thank you. Good morning. Joe: Well, I’m sure that you guys have,
uh, clients and people you work with talking about Corona virus. I would guess the last couple
of weeks, more and more as well. Chris Cook: We do, we do every day. We’re getting questions about it. Joe: Yeah. So what do you answer? How do you be the voice
of reason for people. Chris Cook: Well, it’s kind of hard right
now because like you said, every headline that comes out is that, you know, this is
going to be the end of the world again. Yeah. And it’s hard to fight that when there’s
so much noise going on out there. But, uh, it’s the headline
on every news station. So what we’re trying to talk about is
we’ve seen this before, and in fact, we’ve seen it from China before,
saw ours back in 2003. We will probably get a blip in the market
sooner or later because you’ve got the second largest economy
really slowing down. In fact, they’ve got many pretty large
population centers that are virtually shut down completely in quarantine, so that’s
going to affect some supply channels too. A lot of companies that our clients are
investing in, but it’s generally short lived. Once the virus gets contained. And they get a vaccination,
we’re going to see a spike. All that demand that was built up over
that timeframe is going to come flooding back through, and that’s
usually the pattern that we see. Joe: Yeah, and it sounds like then, Chris,
the best thing we can do then I would imagine, would be to keep a longterm
perspective, but if I’m worried about short term and taking big losses, I know
you’ve got some things that people might be able to do employ in their portfolio
to help them kind of guard against this. Chris Cook: Absolutely. The first line of defense is always going
to be diversification, so you’re going to want to diversify your portfolio across
as many sectors as you can in the economy. In our case, we take the economy, it’s
divided into 11 sectors, and we invest equally across all of them. So we’re not making any bet
on any one particular sector. So if one is getting affected by China,
hopefully another one, like a utilities and real estate or something, you’re
more domestically are holding up. The second line of
defense is our stop loss. We recommend for every client to have
some kind of a stop loss built on their portfolio so that if the market does keep
chugging along like it is right now, I mean, we’re, we’re at new highs right now,
even though this virus is hitting all the headlines. So we’re participating. But if that virus does turn into
something much more than we anticipate. You have some protection, you know what
you’re going to do before you have to do it. Joe: Well, that’s a great point. And it’s funny, Chris, because a lot of
the time people will ask us, what’s the difference between a mutual
fund, an index fund, and an ETF? Both of them tracking a passive index, and
usually we’ll say no difference, but here when it comes to stop losses, it’s my
understanding we really have to have the exchange traded fund to do that. We do. Chris Cook: That makes them much
easier to employ a stop loss. However, even if you’re
investing in a mutual fund. You can do it at the
close or the next day. So if you feel like you’ve gotten to that
point of a stop loss, in our case, we like to use 10% so if that mutual fund or ETF
is dropped by 10% from a tie, then we will trigger that stop and ETF. We can do it that day. The mutual fund. Just do it the next day. Joe: Yeah. How hard is it then if I trigger my stop
loss cause I’ve had enough, the hard part is, you know Chris is,
when do I get back in? How do I decide when to put my money back
to work for me if I use that strategy. Chris Cook: The buyback is the hardest
part, uh, of a stop loss plan of trying to figure out when to get back into the
market after it’s fallen so much because we’re scared at that point and our
case, we like to look at the market. And how long did it take
for it to reach that bottom? The longer it took to reset bottom, the
more confidence we need to get back in. So if it happens quickly,
just a quick little blip. We’re going to get back
into the market pretty fast. If it takes a long time, like a true
bear market, like bubble or the financial crisis, we’re going to need
a lot of confidence and a pretty strong rebound before we get back in. Joe: Well, I remember bubble. Older guy doing this and it seemed like,
you know, you’d have stop-loss hit and then you get back in and it
would hit again and it again. So to your point, yeah,
you would that long. What, two years slide? That could be forever. Chris Cook: It can be. And that’s the important part. You do not want to get back in too fast
because if you end up dropping again and you get out again, well now you’ve got
this whipsaw effect that just compounds or problems. So you really have to have some
discipline, not only on the sell, but the buy side. Joe: Well, and that’s what I like about
your third point here that you have for us, which is to maintain discipline
by having a more mechanical approach. Chris Cook: Absolutely. We really believe in a rules based
approach because when you’re in the middle of it, emotions start to play in, and
especially investors when they’re dealing with a life savings. In many cases it’s nerve wracking and
most humans, we just don’t make very good decisions when when we’re in, I’m
an emotional or a panic type state. Joe: Any other tips to
help us get through this? Chris. Really just Chris Cook: patience and try to not
pay so much attention to the headlines. The news is really designed to get your
attention so that your watch or read those headlines. Joe: Aye. Aye. Aye. I love that. And as you know, it’s
so hard to not click it. I mean, I know as a guy who’s been in this
for a while, like you, Chris, just, I see the headline and I go, Nope,
don’t touch, don’t touch. No, I touched it. Chris Cook: Exactly. Joe: Well, tell us a little bit about what
you guys do at beacon capital management. Uh, Chris Cook: beacon, we help other
professionals, other financial advisors, work with our clients and manage assets. So right now we work with about 900
advisors around the country, and we manage about three and a half
billion dollars for folks, Joe: two, three and a half billion. So not that much. No. So if somebody is a financial advisor,
then listening to this and they want more information about you guys,
where do they find you? Awesome. And you know what guys, if you are walking
the dog or you are on your commute, we got you covered. We’ll have links to Chris and beacon
capital management on our show notes page at dot com Chris, thanks for hanging out
with us for a few minutes and help and talk us off the ledge on this Chris Cook: one. You’re welcome. Thank you. Joe: you know, Oh gee. So important to just focus
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Valentine’s day weekend. Tamar Jacoby did something that man. I would have loved to do. I had so many ideas right out of college,
Oh gee, about big things that I was going to do, and guess how many of those I did. None of them. And a lot of it was because of fear. Tamra now is the owner and
proprietor of tailwind. Jungle lodge just North of
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. It’s literally cut into the jungle. She and her family. People call them the Swiss family
Robinson of the, of the juggle in Mexico. She’s got a new book
out called wild preneur. And you know what? That’s her as a wild preneur. And even if you’re not somebody who
has ever thought about becoming an entrepreneur, still pushing to get those
things that you want, fighting through fear. Setting a plan. So many lessons I learned from Tamra. You’re about to learn some too,
because she is upstairs talking to mom. Let’s say hello to Tamar Jacoby
coming down to the basement. And coming down the
stairs to the basement. It’s her new friend, Tamar
Jacoby back from the wilderness. How are you? I’m Tamara Jacobi: great. I feel like I’m not in the jungle anymore. Joe: No, you will. Not the jungle. However, when you’re in the basement,
some people get a little worried so. Tamara Jacobi: Well, I think it’s a
company basement, from what I can tell. It looks like there’s much inspiration
flowing through these walls. Joe: Well, it is a comfy basement, and
to that end, there’s snow outside here. When I think about somebody who’s in the
jungle, Tamra, I think you’re somebody from the South who’s enjoyed the jungle. No, no, no, no, no, no. I start diving into your book. Tell me about where you grew up. Tamara Jacobi: So I was born in Vermont. I’m a Northeast girl and I survived many a
cold Vermont winter, so I actually missed the snow. You know, I do love life in the jungle,
but have become a tropical girl and I’ve got to do my Northern trips. I’m actually for book tour, headed up to
British Columbia and you know, part book tour apart. Fun little baby wants to see what
this whole snow thing is all about. Joe: You might find a way to get
skiing while you’re there, I’m sure. Tamara Jacobi: Either there
may be a ski day or two. You got to sneak it in a little work. Little play. Joe: So you’re in college. And what I find fascinating is where
people get their inspiration and it looks like to me, there’s a couple
of places you get inspiration. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you
talk about a class, you took an entrepreneurship while
you were in college. Was that really the German was the germ
before that, just growing up in your wild family with your crazy parents? Well, that’s Tamara Jacobi: definitely
a big part of it. My parents are very free spirited and you
know, their idea of a family vacation was to climb the Mexican volcanoes,
or one summer we biked from. Jackson hole, Wyoming to El Paso, Texas,
you know, carrying all of our stuff. So this was two months of biking
and carrying all of our food. And so that’s where the wild
element of my history comes in. And then the entrepreneurship part came
at Middlebury college when I signed up for that class. And my father on these
family trips at all. He’d often dreamt of, you know, a family
business, but really had no idea what shape that would take. And I’m very much a doer. And I said, all right, well there’s this
class and I’m going to write a business plan. And so talk about snow
for my graduation day. I graduated in February and Vermont so. Full outfit, cap and gown
skiing down the mountain. And I had this business plan, my wild
idea, and one hand for a jungle lodge and a wall street job
opportunity and the other. And that was my fork in the road where
I had to just listen and ask myself what makes me come alive? You know, what is my heart telling me. And so that’s where the wild
preneur journey really began. Joe: You said you, you applied at
Goldman Sachs and they gave you an offer. So you’re, you’re skiing down the Hill and
you’ve got this offer from Goldman Sachs, and you have this idea for a lodge in the
middle of the jungle at the same time. Tamara Jacobi: Yeah, and I really did have
to think pretty hard about that because those are radically different life paths. And I’d like to think I’m the kind of
person that would be happy wherever I ended up, but that was a moment of, wow,
this is really a pivotal decision where I decided to go. Joe: Had you ever been to the
spot where tailwind is now? Yeah, Tamara Jacobi: so I grew
up vacationing in Mexico. My dad was a surfer down here in the 60s
and so Mexico had a place in my heart. More so in his heart and by osmosis,
you know, he passed that onto me. We fell in love with this stress of
coastline is really jungley, which a lot of Mexico is kind of the cacti. Think of the Mexican sleeping under the
cacti with the big sombrero, and this is a very different coastline. Super lush. And so the jungle had
captured some of my heart. I saw it again when I was
at Middlebury studying. And so this idea was kind of
percolating and they decided to invest. They mortgage their home and
decided to buy this piece of jungle. And I said, all right, let’s
do something with this. You know, there’s an
awesome opportunity here. So I took my little bit of savings
and bought some used girl guide tents. I mean, have you ever stayed
at a, are you a boy scout? Joe: I was a Cub scout. I made it to my Wolf badge. Tamara Jacobi: Very good. I mean, the canvas tents, you
know, see him all over the place. And so I bought a couple of
those and we just poke poco. They say in Mexico is slowly
but surely has been our mantra. And 15 years later, we’ve
got this thriving eco lodge. Joe: We had our first camping
adventure with my twins. We went to this place in Indiana, this
cool state park, and my father in law gave us one of those canvas tents and we
kept telling our twins, who are maybe. Four at the time, don’t touch the
top cause it was raining like hell. Of course, the first time we go camping
with the twins that rains like, and we’re like, don’t touch the tent. So, so immediate, immediate
like, yes, immediately Tamar. You know what happened? All of a sudden I look over and my son,
Nick is poking the top of the tent. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then, and then we had we, the downpour
inside the tent, we ended up leaving at like three o’clock in
the morning for home. Just why do you get up and
throw it back in the minivan? But yeah. Tamara Jacobi: Yes. And you know what? We’ve had some unusual rain this year in
the jungle, and we have groups that come, you know, yoga groups from Brooklyn. And so I’ve learned to embrace the
challenges that the jungle brings. And no mud, no Lotus, you know,
figuratively and literally these people show up with their Lulu lemon
tights, you know, ready to do yoga. And the rain comes and the tent
gets wet and they get super muddy. But it’s transformative. You know, they come out with this
adventure story, like they’ve accomplished something. And so that’s part of the
wild preneur spirit as well. You know, getting dirty and getting
gritty, and then at the end of the day, you find this super sweet life experience. Joe: Yeah. And that’s the, and you quote that a lot. No mud, no Lotus. And I’d never heard that before. Oh really? But sort of go back over that again,
just in case anybody missed it. If you don’t get dirty,
I guess that means. If you don’t get dirty, nothing happens. Tamara Jacobi: Well, not necessarily left
thing happens, but the destination sure is a lot less sweet. You know? It’s almost like you got to put in your
knocks to get to that summit and it, the challenge is part of the beauty of the
journey, I guess I grew up with that. I’m a little bit of a glutton for
challenged, but if it was boring, a lot of wild Turners probably wouldn’t do it, you Joe: know? Yeah. Let’s talk about your business plan. So you’re in college, you
have the idea for the jungle. Tell me about that original business plan,
because I bet that business plan is a lot different than what
actually ended up happening. Tamara Jacobi: Yeah. It wasn’t even close. You know, I really, Middlebury, I loved
the school, but it was very much about productivity and probably very much
about your background with finance and investors, and if you’re going to be
an entrepreneur, you know, here’s the strategy. Here’s the way you’d have to do it to go
big in my book, chapter one is actually called Baja daydreamer because. I took that business plan and instead of
going straight to the jungle, my dad was turning 60 and he said, well, I
want to do another big family trip. And you weren’t on the paddle. Joe: And by the way, before you get into
it, you weren’t happy about this trip. I mean, it sounds like you
were just placating him. Tamara Jacobi: I totally was. I was so ready to get started. You know, I was really anxious and excited
to dive into this business and he’s like, no, no, no, no, no. We have other things to do. You have no other commitments and your
responsibility as a daughter is to come with me on this trip. Essentially. And you know, I’m so glad that I did. It was brutal and blissful. You know, as I talk about the wind and
my jungle lodge ended up being called tailwind because we just battled these
brutal headwinds and you go back to the basics of survival, but at the same time,
we were on the water for eight to 10 hours a day, and it was just this incredible
opportunity to daydream and really explore the possibilities for that
business plan that I had written. And my dad is very much
about simple living. His lifestyle is very simple. And so we toned it down. We scaled it way back. We decided, no investors, we’re just going
to build as we could afford it poco poco. And this was such a blessing for me, you
know, to take it a little bit slower for a family from Vermont, we have no
idea what we’re doing in the jungle. So if we have built all at once. Which was my original proposal and my
business plan, we would have been a complete failure because we would
have done it all wrong, you know? And instead we became masters of artful
mistake making because we were able to learn as we went along. And so I’m so grateful that I took the
time to daydream and really poke holes in the business plan. And. And see where it would morph
and what it would turn into. So it would actually be a good exercise
to go back and review my original business plan because I don’t think I’ve done
that since I skied down the middle verse. Joe: Yeah. As I was reading, I’m like, I
bet it looks a lot different. Your dad getting to getting to your dad. You have advice from different
entrepreneurs throughout the book, but your dad is the first one where you kind
of have an aside where you go to him and I want to highlight some of his advice. He said to go as slowly as you can afford
to is like his number one piece of advice. Most entrepreneurs, to your point Tamarah
it’s about going as fast as you can, right? How do I get more protein? How do I do I get more? His advice is so counter
to what you usually hear. What’s the gold in that advice to
go as slow as you can afford to. Tamara Jacobi: There’s a couple elements
to that, you know, for, for us as a family, I think it was. A lot about making time
to have a quality of life. You know, I think a lot of entrepreneurs,
and you probably see it on a regular basis in your world, is the high speed living
and it’s high stress and attached to your devices. And my dad is the antithesis to that. He doesn’t even own a cell phone, right? Which I wouldn’t recommend
that for entrepreneurs. But Joe: you, and he had a, to your point,
you, and he had this big fight about whether you were even
going to have internet. Tamara Jacobi: And we didn’t have
it enough for the first six years. So that was definitely a challenge. Um, and the internet is still not great
in the jungle, you know, but it’s about quality of life and we really wanted to
maintain that joy and that happiness. And I think having time to go surf
whenever we want, you know, or go on a family kayak, paddle or whatever it
is, has made it sustainable for us. We have prevented burnout because
we’ve been so balanced in that regard. And not to say that it’s been an easy
journey and that I’ve never experienced burnout cause I definitely have had
moments from what am I doing in the jungle, you know? But no, I think going slow gives you
time to first think about the process. Have that artful mistake making practice
where you know you don’t make a mistake that’s so big that it
destroys your effort. So each lesson is a stepping stone, you
know, it’s not failure, it’s stepping stones. And then you also have this beautiful
quality of life along the way. And so there’s, well preneurs in all
shapes and sizes that are doing this. And yeah, you also don’t dig
such a big hole of debt that way. You know? I think that was another key point. I’m sure you can relate to that, and many
of the people you have on this show is we don’t have a lot of debt. You know, we don’t, first of all, we don’t
have a super expensive lifestyle either. We’re very simple, and I think I shared in
the book, you know, I lived in tenant, not even a girl scout tent, like a camping
tent, a backpacking tent for a long time, which I know I wouldn’t recommend that
necessarily, but it was, it was manageable for me for a long time. Joe: That almost sounds like me and
movies, like there’s some movies I know I like, but I know you
won’t like them for you. I think you love living in a tent. However, it might not be for everybody. No. Tamara Jacobi: And the idea is just if
you can lower your expense, your lifestyle expense, then you can afford to do
some of these creative wild ideas. Joe: You know, one thing it’s interesting
that you bring up very early in the book is the idea of a wild preneur really
is not an entrepreneurial idea. It’s for anybody who has goals and dreams. Talk to that for a second. Tamara Jacobi: Yeah, so I’ve kind of
boiled it down since I wrote the book. I’ve done some even more thinking on this,
and it really is, it’s about having a wish, a wild idea, kind of setting your
intention around how you want to live your life is taking that pause, you know, not
just going through the motions, going through the grind daily, but actually. Making space. And Arianna Huffington wrote this, and
thrive is, you know, the culture of speed. We need to slow down. And so to listen to what you
really want and take a pause. So that’s the wish. And then the Wellpreneur
approach is very much the Noma. No Lotus, you know, if there’s something
that you believe in, you got to get dirty, get gritty. And perseverance is really
the secret to success. I’m not super talented. I had no idea how to do anything in
hospitality, but I stuck with it, you know? And I made mistake after
mistake, but I persevered. And the third, and this is something
that’s beautiful, that I’ve noticed with wild printers across the board, is this,
love, this passion, this inspiration. And it’s the wisdom. I call that the third w. so it’s wish Wellpreneur
approached and wisdom. And this wisdom is a holistic approach. You know, it’s not just about profit,
it’s about the triple bottom line, people, planet and profit. It’s about community and
synergies and sustainability. And so that strategy, the three W’s can
be applied to really anything that you’re chasing in life Joe: while you’re talking. One thing that always frustrated me,
Tamra, when I was a financial planner was. People always had these ideas. They had these great ideas like, let’s
go build a great place in the jungle. It’s up to Matt, and yet, you know, most
of us let our fear get in the way, right? And don’t get me wrong. Your brain is smart and you’ve
got these valid problems. But what I’ve learned over time is write
down those problems because your brain also smart enough then to figure
out every single one of them. But a lot of people in the United States,
they think of Mexico, the coastline. And they think, Oh my God, there’s
these gangs running a muck. Right? Local governments may maybe corrupt Tamara Jacobi: like this a few times. Joe: I’m sure you have. So I’m wondering if those fears must
have crept up and how you met them. Well, I think Tamara Jacobi: fear in general, you know,
not to the point of the challenges of Mexico specifically, but fear in general
is something that I’ve learned to use as an inner compass. You know, and this isn’t like a terrifying
kind of a feeling, but the fear that’s accompanied by excitement. I’ve been feeling this as I
start to do my presentations. I was on stage at the American
library association convention. I’ve never done any public
speaking in my life. So this is the number
one fear of most people. And I was very shy. The jungle helped me find my voice. Joe: But luckily you started small. I mean American library association type. Nobody’s heard of them, right. Oh my goodness. Tamara Jacobi: They were a
very supportive audience. That’s great. Sweet. That’s good. But I was nervous, you know, I was afraid
to go up on stage, but it was that kind of fear that kind of points you in
the direction of your growth. You know, that as a person, that’s
the next challenge to embrace. And I think that I learned that
on my trips in the wilderness. You know, there’s a fair amount of fear
that comes with, all right, we’ve got five days of food and water, and we’re just
pointing the kayaks out and going, you know, as far as we can get
before we have to resupply again. So those are basic fears. But as far as Mexico goes. You know, just like in the U S there’s
parts we drive down from the U S every year from Vermont all the way to Mexico. And there are parts of the U S where I
feel like, Oh my gosh, I’m really not feeling that comfortable here. You know? And I won’t name geographically specific
places, but there’s just like any country, there are places you have to be smart. And this community here where I live in
some poncho, say Lita, we’re North of Puerto Vallarta. It is so filled with love and support. And this is where the
wild printer idea really. Came to life in a whole nother way is
there are people doing their little wild printer business on every corner, you
know, and there are experts from all over the world that have landed in this little
community because I think the community essence has changed a lot
in the U S with technology. And you know, you’re starting
to see it down here too. But there’s a lot of human connection
down here and support and love. And so that’s what I focus on. And of course I speak the
language of the jungle too. So I feel most comfortable in the jungle. But. I think a lot of my guests would
probably disagree with that sentiment. They get to the jungle and they go, Oh
my gosh, we’re really in the jungle. Yeah. It is called the tailwind jungle luck. Joe: Yeah. I love watching some of the videos is I
was preparing for us to talk today and you are seriously in the jungle and
Oh my goodness, is it beautiful? Just the everyday Tamara Jacobi: super lush. Yeah. We’re so lucky. And having that green space, that green
energy, I’m so grateful to live in the jungle and the natural world is where I
find my inspiration, obviously through my upbringing, and that’s
carried on into life. As an adult. I still don’t think of myself as an adult,
but now that I’m a mom, I guess it’s official. Joe: I like the idea and I wish I had time
to get to that too, cause that’s a whole different area. But I want to talk about your brother for
a second because we’re, it seems like your dad helped you dream when
you’re on that kayak trip. I really felt like your brother was a. Uh, was annoying, but he was really
helping you take this kind of wild dream and focus it like who’s
your target audience? How are you actually gonna do this? Like asking some of the how questions,
it seems like having those people in your life is pretty important too. Tamara Jacobi: Yeah, he
was my devil’s advocate. And at first I really
didn’t appreciate it. Like Joe: just Tamara Jacobi: shove it, you know, I don’t
want to hear this, but in the end, it really, I think finding that friend who is
a devil’s advocate can make your business idea much stronger cause they’ll point out
things that you won’t have even thought of. And in the end, doing that in advance
instead of getting into it and then realizing, Oh well there
was this really obvious. Flaw or know issue. And so yeah, finding your devil’s
advocate is a really good strategy. And I don’t know if I’d recommend a family
member cause sometimes it hurts a little more. Joe: And I’ve heard people say
specifically don’t have a family member, cause a lot of the time they love you and
they want to protect you, which is why you’ll never do the idea. You’ll never do the crazy thing
because they’ll talk you out of it. Tamara Jacobi: Not my family, but you’re absolutely right. No, I’ve heard this from wild pruners. I’ve interviewed his, you know, family is
the tough critic and they want your to be safe. And the life of a Wellpreneur is not
necessarily safe, you know, in the conventional term. And so when I call it wild
entrepreneurship, it’s not just wild in a jungle sense. It’s wild in that it’s,
you’re going into the unknown. You know, you’re blazing your own business
trail and it can be a lonely road. And that was one of the reasons that I
wrote this book is people need to know that they’re not alone. So I’m excited to create this community of
free spirits that are not afraid to blaze their own trail. Joe: The book is called Wellpreneur and
I’m assuming we can get it everywhere. Tamara Jacobi: That’s the idea. And I’m a new writer, so I’m
just learning about this process. My publisher, Harper Collins leadership
has been fantastic, and it’s on Amazon. I’m going to be speaking at REI is across
the country, so that’s a good spot to find it as well. You’ll have to check out your local
bookstore for it, and if they don’t have it, then they should Joe: absolutely demand it at
the library, at the bookstore. Absolutely. Tamra, thanks for taking a few minutes
and talking while preneur with us. I appreciate it. Tamara Jacobi: Thank you so much for
having me in your lovely basement. Neighbor Doug: Hey there,
basement constituents. Hom your 2020 presidential Joe: front runner, Neighbor Doug: Doug hiding conveniently
in the back of the pack, so I’m not on the news and here are where all the great
candidates should be in your buddies. Mom’s basement. Keeping it real, yo kicking it. This is my election
report and trivia segment. Saving you time and money. You know, running for office has given me
a new found respect for all the work that goes into a campaign. Can’t imagine from the outside looking in
just how much grind goes into this thing. Oh, Holy cow. Don’t even mention the price tag. Every time you ask someone for help. Hey Doug, where’s the pizza? You promised it, Doug. Where’s the. wine. Yeah. You promised us for
putting out those signs. Doug, my kid has been stuck in
daycare for three hours now. I meet people. Sacrifices need to be made
for the good of the country. Joe: Where are your priorities. Neighbor Doug: Both of our volunteers
for this campaign are becoming difficult. Really a pea under my mattress. It’s not like I’m made of money. Which brings up today’s trivia question,
which president’s election campaign came with the biggest price tag. Hopefully one of us can find that answer. I’ll be back to check
on you right after this. Joe: I got to tell you, we
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agreed to to work with us. Because if you’re like a lot of people and
you’re starting a side hustle, the first thing that you need to do is look
like a bigger business than you are. And Oh gee. When I read guerrilla marketing, the
fantastic book by Jay Conrad Levinson, by the way, if you are an entrepreneur and
you haven’t read guerrilla marketing. You’ve got to get on that because that is
just the, the number one place to go for anybody who wants to know how to fight
against companies that are much, much bigger than you are. And Fiverr is the centerpiece or Matt. Cause one thing Jay Conrad Levinson says
is that above all your branding has to look professional. Sure. Maybe you need to cut corners behind the
scenes, but I always cringe when I see like a new restaurant in town and the
word, we have one in Texarkana where the word restaurant was spelled wrong. That’s the first side OG: of that done on purpose. Joe: I certainly hope so, but based on
the cran, it looked like they’d put it up with, I don’t think it
was on purpose, sadly. OG: You know, it’s really funny that
you talk about that because how many. How many things are like that,
that would totally turn you off. I say I seriously entertained it is
not really true cause I was at the very beginning of some due diligence, but I
saw a, a franchise that was on shark tank. I watched it and I went. I will run this franchise
like this is amazing. I will buy this and this is perfect for
where we live in the community that we’re in and awesome. And so I go online, fill out the form. I’m sure everybody in America
did, you know, at the same time. So they’ve got really reasonable
franchise fees and an easy operation. So I’m like, this is perfect. Like this is something I could
have like high school kids run. You know, I’m always thinking about
business and I got their franchise disclosure document, and probably within
the first page or two, there was a grammatical error, like they’re there and
there, or two, two and two, like one of those ones where you just go, huh? Yeah, interesting. And that there were more of them. There’s a spelling error
in several pages later. There’s a couple of other like homophone
errors, like principal and principal, you know, just kind of, it’s the right word,
just the wrong spelling, you know, type of thing. And I tell him, I got to
like number six of those. I was like, I’m out. I can’t deal with this anymore because
if you don’t have something in there that someone somewhere proof
read the franchise document. And could grammar check, I mean, word,
Microsoft word can grammar check stuff for you if you just ask it to do it. Joe: It is amazing how easy it is. I mean, we work with
Grammarly in the past. Grammarly has saved my butt so many times,
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about fiber, but Holy, Holy, Holy cow. Is it a good OG: example of those. You know, relatively easy things
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friends and hopefully campaign supporters and, and, and, and future, uh, electorate. I’m your 2020 presidential front runner. Doug. But you can just call me Joe’s mom’s
neighbor, Doug, for short, polling shows that if I make myself seem more like a guy
you could get a beer with, it’ll tick up those polling numbers. So whoever said running for president
would be a barrel of fun, needs a lesson and honesty. And that’s one thing you can count
on me for keeping my promises. Most important to those being that I
promised you that I deliver your trivia. So before the break, I asked you this
question, which president’s election campaign came with the biggest price? Tag? The answer. What you think it’s me. Hey, look, no. Well, I can’t put a price on all the
love and support you’ve given me so far. I can put a price on how much pizza these
guys have been through, and that’s still Joe: wrong. The real answer, Neighbor Doug: according to how
president Obama’s 2008 election cost a cool 1.3 billion. That’s but, but, but, but the billion
making the most expensive election by far. Maybe buying a six pack and a bottle of
wine for these guys every once in a while. It’s a bad, long as it’s ripple. Joe: Know what I mean? Neighbor Doug: Anyway, time to go. Leave my fourth batch of voicemails. today to potential donors asking for
financial support by my calculation. I think we’re only a one. Point carry the 1.29 900 900 900
$909 billion short of the record Joe: and a sure Neighbor Doug: seat in
the oval office soon. Joe: I don’t want to talk
about campaign finance reform. Not a political show. Come OG: on, but so Joe: one point $8 billion, I’m just gonna
leave that here and we will walk on and talk about something else. 1.8 billion OG: that money could be used for, Joe: Oh my goodness. Is that a lot of cash? Hey, let’s throw David lifeline and tackle
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we created a slider asking people, it is now. A month and a half into the new year. How well are you sticking to
your budget so far this year? Now it’s a slider, so I don’t know the
exact number because we’re too dumb collectively here in the basement to do
something that we can do easily on radio. So what we did was we created something
where I got to kind of guesstimate, but if you had to guesstimate everybody
who hangs out with us on Instagram. OG: 70% Joe: 70% say that that’s
where their budget is. Ah, look at it. This, it’s you’re in the ballpark, man. It’s closer to 80 believe it or not. People listen to financial podcasts do
a good job of sticking with a budget. I know you find that hard to believe. There are a few people though who have
zeros, 10% and just looking at some of the numbers and. That has been me in prior years. My budget this year
going, going pretty well. I’ve, I’ve kept it in check. What’s been the biggest budget Buster? We asked everybody. Mama loves shou said kids activities,
man, I don’t know about you. Oh gee, you’re, you’re there right now. Where it seems like kids activity kids,
like, I’m sure that’s gotta be the budget Buster for you or is it, Oh, OG: airplane fuel. Joe: I was going to say, or
is it, Oh gee activities. OG: Yeah. This is an off season for us. Kids start baseball in
a couple of weeks, so. Joe: Not surprising, but medical
bills that’ll, that’ll do it. Eating at restaurants, still doing it too
often this year, too much money on food, gymnastics, travel meets new baby items
between eating restaurants and kids’ activities. It’s amazing. We’re going to do more
Instagram stuff in the future. Hopefully not involving a slider where
it’s difficult to talk about head to OG: offline. Joe was really excited
about this, by the way, FRA. For all you producers in the back
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slash voicemail and we’ll throw out the even lifeline to you. All right. That’s going to do it for today. Hey big thanks to everybody who’s, uh,
left a review of this podcast to tell people what they’re getting into. It has been really fun to watch. Oh gee. As the show has climbed up the charts, we
recently entered the top 50 on the Apple podcast charts for business podcast, so, OG: well, you’re welcome. Joe: Thanks. Thanks. Thanks everybody who hung out
with us, getting us there. Cause we’re all kind of
there together, aren’t we? Also, I got to say here at the end of the
show, a big congratulations to somebody who is just on our round table. Sharita Humphrey over in the Houston area. She just won the NFPC financial
education instructor of the year award. Nice national financial educators council. And that award is set aside to recognize
a single individual who’s made markedly significant contributions to promoting
financial wellness over the previous year. Uh, we’ll have a link to
when Sharita was on our show. She was fantastic radio and a great part
of our round table here late last year. Also a big congratulations to our friends
over at the frugal friends podcast. The ladies over there. Just past half a million
downloads for their young podcast. Nice, nice, nice job. And also our friend, Jamila Souffrant and
the journey to launch podcast Jameela just appeared back on the new and noteworthy
section of Apple podcast, even though her show is about two and a half years old. Everybody that makes podcast, Oh geez. You know, focuses on getting
on that list when they’re new. But you can also get on there because
you’re noteworthy and that’s what Jameela did. So congratulations to her. Lots of, lots of success
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right, that’s going to do it for today. Doug, you got it from here, man. Doug, 2020 what should
we have learned today? Neighbor Doug: Joe, I’ll tell you what
I am all about serving the people. So you’re damn right. I’m going to tell everybody what they
should have learned in a, that is just a straight shooter. I am first take a lesson from Tamarah
worried about your goals whenever they are. Be a wild printer. Face your fear and go grab it. Maybe the jungle ain’t
so bad as you think. Second, take a lesson from Chris cook. Pay attention to your downside. They’ll go all in on a single asset class,
better stay widely diversified so that you don’t sink your own portfolio. Then bet on how the Corona virus or any
other world event slash epidemic or slash whatever will turn out. But the big lesson Joe’s mom
just handed me five bucks. Does that mean I can
have a campaign donor. Or is that her expectance of pizza? It’s pretty expensive. Pizza. You asked me Joe: get it in writing Neighbor Doug: people. That’s the key lesson here. Get it in Joe: writing. Special thanks Neighbor Doug: to Tamarack Jacoby
for joining us in the basement. You can learn more from Tamra at her site. Wild this show is created by
Joe saucy high, produced by Richie rudder, Reese, and engineered by the
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usually don’t talk about finance anymore. So if you’re here for financial
discussions, we’ll see you again on Wednesday. OG: I thought that since it’s a
president’s day weekend, maybe you’re getting up early and you get the
day off and you’re saying, I should. Watch a whole bunch of presidents movies. I thought I would put together a list here
and go through them with you and you can, uh, in like 10 seconds or less. Tell me if I should watch
it for president today. Joe: Well, and I’ve also pulled
up the top ones according to IMDV. There’s a surprise, the number,
there’s a satirizing number. OG: It’s, you’re the movie guy. So I mean, I’m going to
like most movies, huh? Some of these you may recognize,
and some of them you may not so. So this list comes from a, well, just a
random website called belief net, whatever that is. I don’t know. But anyways, uh, how about this one? Independence day. Joe: How’s that for
president bill Pullman? Bill Pullman makes the best speech ever. have you seen it? OG: Have I seen it? No, I never saw him. Independence day. It’s only been around for 25 years. Joe: Hold on though. We got, I know you’ve got a lot of them,
but we have to pause a second and here. The best president’s speech ever. Less than an hour Neighbor Doug: aircraft from Joe: you will join Neighbor Doug: others
from around the world. Joe: And you will be launching
the largest aerial battle Neighbor Doug: in Joe: the history of mankind. Neighbor Doug: mankind. That word should have new Joe: meaning Neighbor Doug: for all of us Joe: today. Neighbor Doug: can’t be consumed by Joe: petty differences anymore. We will be United in our common interests. Perhaps faith today is Neighbor Doug: the 4th of July. Joe: And you will once again be fighting
for our freedom, not from tyranny, Neighbor Doug: oppression, or persecution Joe: from annihilation. We’re Neighbor Doug: fighting Joe: for our Neighbor Doug: right to live, Joe: to exist, and should we win the day? The 4th of July will no longer
be known as an American holiday. There’s the day when the
world declared in one voice. We will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a
fight we’re going to live on. We’re going to survive
the day we celebrate our Tamara Jacobi: independence day. Joe: Oh, let’s go. Let’s go fight some aliens. Oh, OG: gee, let’s go fight some aliens. Joe: I’m going to go right now. OG: Dr. Strange love Joe: that movie was weird and uh, yes. Uh, when you’re riding a warhead that that part of the
movie went off the rails. Yeah. OG: Air force Joe: one. Air force one was the, uh,
Harrison Ford is the president. Yes. Fantastic. Action film. was that him as Jack Ryan
or was he the president? He was the president. OG: He was the president. Now Joe: he was the president. That one? Yeah. OG: Yeah. Okay. How about this one? Let’s see if you get this one. Welcome to moose port. Joe: No. Welcome to moose port. Is that one of Ray Romano in it? OG: Yes. And gene Hackman. So gene Hackman’s, the former president,
retired and decides to run for mayor against Ray Romano. Joe: Well, that’s not really,
Oh, he’s the former president. Sure. Yeah. Gotcha. Where it comes in. OG: All right, Liz, this one’s a
little borderline also guarding tests. Joe: I thought that was a great movie. Did you see that movie? OG: I thought it was great. I mean, I saw it when I was in high
school and I thought it was good. Joe: Yeah, it wasn’t that funny. There, there a Nicholas cage
on the, uh, were a King. Uh, they get an a canned
peas and he can peas. OG: How about, uh, Dave. Joe: I thought Dave was
funny and uh, and stupid. I like, if you’re looking for just a
funny comedy, that’s where he is an impersonator, uh,
impersonating the president. Chris Cook: Yep. OG: Well, he’s a, he’s kind
of like a body double, right? Joe: Yes. Yeah, yeah. But before that, he like would play
parties and stuff and they found him because he was so uncannily like him,
and then they needed somebody to be the president. OG: Have you seen LBJ? Joe: No, but that’s on
this list of a top films. OG: Okay. I haven’t seen that many there. No. How about the Joe: Butler? Ah, that’s another movie that I should
have liked and it got a lot of great press going into it. Oprah Winfrey was a part of it. Um, uh, forest. OG: Wicker Joe: forest Whitaker. Yeah. I felt the way most people
did about that movie. A lot of hype and not as good as I hoped. OG: 13 days. Joe: Didn’t see it real. OG: Okay. Oh, I know you saw this one. You guys got lifetime subscription. This one, w Joe: I, I did not see
w I did not see vice. I did not see JFK, which is at the top. OG: I saw advice on an airplane. Joe: Yeah. OG: Frost. Nixon. Joe: I heard that was fantastic. David Frost interviewing,
uh, interviewing Nixon. How about Lincoln? How about, how about Lincoln? There’s a good movie. OG: Yeah. Probably one of the
better, purely presidential Joe: on Daniel Day. Lewis, just fantastic job
directed by Steven Spielberg. OG: what else you got on your list? The American president. Uh, Joe: I really like them. Yeah. That’s just romantic comedy. That was, that was a fantastic movie. One that I always wanted to see. It’s the documentary about the, uh, bill
Clinton 1992 presidential campaign where, of course, right now in the election
process, we’ve gone through the first two weeks. Right. And if you remember, Clinton was mid to
back of the pack at this point and how they then ran forward. So I love just any documentary movie. Yeah. 13 OG: at this one. White house down. Joe: That movie was so stupid
and I laughed my head off OG: and it’s corollary. Olympus has fallen. Olympus has fallen to Olympus, has
fallen three and Olympus has fallen. Four you might notice are out also. Joe: Oh, white house down is not
what I what I thought it was then. Wait, I’m thinking, what’s
the one that has, uh, Zach? Zach Galifianakis. OG: No. So white house down is what
Channing Tatum and, and uh, Amy Fox, Joe: I hate to say this, but
I did see white house down. Yeah. And I’m sorry that that
movie was ever made. OG: And then like right on the heels of
that Olympus has fallen, came out, which is the exact same movie
just with different people Joe: to Butler. OG: But then the only difference
is that know Olympus has fallen. They made like four of them. No, I don’t know. Joe: There’s this movie with Ryan
Gosling called the ides of March. I remember. Oh yeah, I remember it. I remember I went to see it. I don’t remember anything about it. I remember like nothing about the movie. OG: So basically I’m, one of the campaign
staffers was having a little tryst with one of the candidates and died, and the
candidate was like, we got to cover this up. And Ryan Gosling was like, the. Chief of staff trying to
figure out how to deal with Joe: that. And he’s friends with a reporter, right? That he kind of has to lie
to, but he really likes OG: something like that. Yeah. Something, Joe: yeah. I kind of get, get that. Yeah. Happy. OG: Basically you watch presidential
movies till the end of the time. Joe: You could, you could,
uh, just quit your job. OG: I think we can watch Lincoln. I think that’ll be on the list. Joe: I think Lincoln would be good. What’s it rated? It is rated. Could your kids watch it? A PG 13. Yeah, OG: they could watch it.

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